dramatically since the ryan selection, since medicare, bill clinton's arguments on medicare at the convention, it became central to the discussion, there's been a big shift towards obama in that category. >> this doesn't take medicare off the table. we still have to deal with this. >> you're exactly right. medicare and medicaid are unchecked going to cripple this country. we saw erskine bowles earlier this week in chicago, tom, and i said erskine, isn't it the truth that medicare and medicaid by itself is going to consume every cent that the federal government takes in in 20 years? he said no, that's not true. he said, it's doing it right now. he said, this year alone, in the fiscal year that just ended, every dime the federal government got went to pay medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the debt. that means everything else that on outside of medicare, medicaid, social security and interest on the debt, we borrowed from china. we borrowed from the saudis, we borrowed. we went deeper in debt. that's unsustainable. and the fact that we're not having that discussion in this camp
